THIS IS THE WIP FOR THE CLIFF ATTACK A’KOBA TUSKEN CRL

[Motogpnut]

Also, we figured out what all the pleats and seams and the actual design of the inner robes. No skirt, no plain monk looking dress…

 

Just remember, Lucas loves Samurai and those old samurai westerns. Well what if the Tusken was just a Desert Samurai?

 

I have a ton of proof from the pictures I’ve gathered. I’m hoping to find some more but I mostly have enough to substantiate my claims. I just need a long night to post all my results.

 

Just like the denial about all the seams, I’m sure I’ll get a ton of push back, but I have no doubt about what we finally discovered. I don’t think anyone else has ever mentioned the stuff we’ve found.

 

 

 

 

Here are some pictures of the things I’m talking about.

[Nezhdanov]

I think a skirt has been added in the new crl but I’m sure they will appreciate any new information [emoji1303]


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[Motogpnut]

6 hours ago, Nezhdanov said:

I think a skirt has been added in the new crl but I’m sure they will appreciate any new information [emoji1303]


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Yep. I’ve been watching what Dave has been adding. But I think we finally figured out what everyone has been calling the skirt. I also know what the inner robe actually is now. At least with the Peter Diamond Tusken. 
I’m hoping to find more behind the scene photos. I have a few but I would welcome anything anyone has. 

[Motogpnut]

George Lucas loved Kurosawa films and where more do you see that than Episode IV?? Even Vader’s armor was designed from Samurai armor.

Well then why would it be far fetched that the Tusken could be a Desert Samurai?

 

 

These two pictures clearly show the wide band of what has to be a Kimono or what is called a Yukata (like a kimono, just less formal

 

 

And if you look at every picture of almost every Tusken you can see the overlap, either at the bottom, or like in the case of Peter Diamond, the wide collar at the top.

 

 

 

I have no doubt that is exactly what the inner robe actually is. Even Studio Creations almost has it right. This is the sewing pattern they have. Including a sash.

 

 

Which are almost literally the patterns for a kimono.

 

 

Now, traditionally a Kimono or Yukata is wrapped from the left side, but in an effort to not look like a regular kimono, Lucas would have them wrap from the right or even use bandoliers over the shoulders to hide the large neck band, also called Eri.

 

I know without a doubt that these are a kimonos/yukata because traditional Samurai, like they were in all the Kurosawa movies, also wear the Hakama. This…

 

 

The piece around the waist with all the pleats.

 

 

Which also looks just like this…

 

 

Now there are scenes where the pleats from the hakama cannot be seen. Or the fabric is bunched a bit, but nothing as defined as the picture I provided. Most start to look like this.

 

Or this.

 

 

 

I think they even tried raising the hakama.

 

 

Look at the perfect pleats.

 

Then I think they didn’t like how it looked and maybe people would realize what it was.That Lucas literally stole from the Kurosawa movies.

 

 

 

So they wanted the bulk but not all the pleats. I say that because they put the hakama on under the kimono. How do I know? Look at the “skirt” at the bottom of the Tusken robes.

 

 

And now the most and widely passed around picture that shows the “skirt.”

 

 

 

That is not a skirt, it’s a hakama with Peter Diamond’s leg forward and straightening out the pleats. Like this.

 

 

Or this

 

 

Why wouldn’t they use the traditional clothes from the Samurai. It was so influential to Lucas. Every movie has pieces of that culture and those movies ingrained into it them. Even to this day with The Mandolorian.

 

I’m going to stop here and start a new post. In fear of a glitch ruining my work.

So don’t go away.

Just wait.

There’s more….

[Chewbiker]

Awesome! Findings!!! I sewed five pleats to my inner robe they are small, covered by the sash! I wasn't confident I wanted to make them longer. With this findings I think I'll elongate them! Keep up the great work  following your progress closely!

[Motogpnut]

So continuing on.

 

I also feel that the traditional attire of the samurai is being worn by Peter Diamond because there is also a few pictures of him with his sleeves up. Outer robe and inner, but it looks like he is actually wearing sleeves. That’s because he is. The inner shirt is called a keikogi.

 

 

 

This is a long shirt with more American type sleeves. Which can be looser like above or more fitted.

 

 

 

 

 

Here is the picture behind the scenes with Peter Diamond, wearing what looks like sleeves.

 

 

We could even go as far to say that the entire Tusken outfit is primarily the garments worn by the Samurai or even most of the characters in the kurosawa movies. All traditional Japanese clothes.

 

 

 

 

Just dirty, dingy and covered in the sands of Tatooine.

 

 

I plan on incorporating these elements in my build of the Peter Diamond Tusken. I’m sure that will also prove my theories.

 

I don’t know if I will be accepted as a standard ANH Tusken but I do know that I will be the closest to Peter Diamond than any others I’ve seen. Hopefully that will be enough.

 

Hopefully I will be doing this costume justice. After all, being a Desert Samurai makes it even cooler.

[Nezhdanov]

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Just like the denial about all the seams, I’m sure I’ll get a ton of push back, but I have no doubt about what we finally discovered. I don’t think anyone else has ever mentioned the stuff we’ve found.

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I don’t think denial is fair, the detachment is made up of many ordinary members who try to help make things easier for others, have ideas and new ways of doing things. Members are allowed to be unconvinced by something put forward and have a debate about it, which is normal as people are individuals and have their own ideas which is not to be mistaken for aggression or a dislike of someone. It’s ok to remain unconvinced by something put forward.

The samurai approach is interesting and I prefer this to the skirt approach. Our inner robes have two layers at the front and one at the back and sewn in pleats where the waist sash is which I’m happy are along the lines of what the robes show in the film but is not the skirt approach or the samurai approach. I feel you can get the same effect outside of the skirt/samurai approach. Having ‘this is how to do a robe’ in the crl can be helpful but to have just one approach where a few approaches seem valid, at least to me, is unnecessarily limiting.

I would prefer a crl where if someone did the samurai approach and the results looked like in the film I would say fine, if someone wanted to do the skirt approach and the results look like in the film I would say fine. If someone did something else but the results looked like in the film I would say fine but to have just the skirt as the only option I feel is short sighted.

I would go along with the skirt/samurai approach if I had to but I would remain unconvinced these are the only/best way to get the same result.


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[Nezhdanov]

Just to be clear, I’m not saying what you’ve found hasn’t merit but just that I am personally not convinced.

The Tuskens were based on Ralph McQuarrie’s 1975 illustrations.


Ralph wanted the Tuskens to be sort of like Bedouins but at the same time strange and mechanical. I don’t think the Bedouin influences can be ignored as even the cycler rifles seem to me like antique Bedouin rifles. I feel there is more to the discussion that’s all [emoji1303]

Incidentally Ralph’s Ben Kenobi 1975 design was referencing the robes worn by Takashi Shimura in seven samurai.


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[Motogpnut]

These questions have been bugging me since I starting building a Tusken. The skirt, outer robes, the inner robes, and the sleeves. There’s so many theories about what each one could be, but if you apply the ones I’ve explained, to me, it all fits.

 

It was incredible when we were sitting around and finally started putting it all together. Everything just clicked right into place.

 

The main reason I brought up the seams again is because I’ve never in my life seen so many people deny what was right in front of them. The pushback was kinda mean. It actually made me really upset, to be honest. It didn’t feel like a debate. A debate I can handle. It’s actually part of the reason why it’s taken me this long to pick back up on this build.

 

I clearly pointed the seams out on multiple pictures and yet some people refused to see them. And to add to the insult, when it was finally agreed that there were seams and I mentioned on another thread that I’m having issues with making an outer robe without seams, someone from upper management here actually linked me to my own pictures to provide proof of the seams. Lol.

 

Look, if people here can’t see what’s right in front of them then that’s on them. Time and time again I was told to follow the CRL when I had questions, but the CRL isn’t what you see in the screen shots at all. Monk’s clothe?! It was never used, but yet it’s the most widely recommended fabric by everyone, for example.

 

It isn’t a fabric most people in Europe can even get, at least not cheaply. I’m glad they’re fixing the CRL it’s way too confusing. It leaves too many questions. And I’m tired of apologizing for the things that I can see right in front of me. Look at the pictures from the movie. There’s your answers. Whether it’s been followed wrong this whole time or not, doesn’t mean we should just deny what we see to keep doing it that way.

 

Now, I’m not looking to rewrite the CRL. I agree with you that if it looks close enough then it should be approved. Skirt or no skirt, for example. But if you want something that looks very screen accurate then the path I’m choosing would be the way to go. If you want a higher level of CRL, then this would be the way to do it. If you want to build the Tusken that had the most screen time in the two minutes they were in the movie, building the Peter Diamond Tusken, then this is the way to make it look like on screen.

 

I understand the influences Bedouin people had on the cyclers and other items like the bandoliers, maybe even what the two other Tuskens wore, but to me, the Peter Diamond is Samurai. I’ve no doubt.

 

I’ve ordered a hakama and the under shirt, Keikogi. Today I received the Hakama. I realize it isn’t dyed, and the pleats are brand new out of the box fresh, but I really feel I’m on the right path. With a kimono and the undershirt under the hakama, I can very easily see the pleats and the amount of bulk from those picture being attainable.

 

 

 

 

 

The pleats in this picture also have a very small thread to protect them in travel. I’m sure after washing them, dyeing them, then washing again, the pleats will look worn in and closer to the picture as well.

 

The site also warned that if you ruin the pleats you can’t return them. Which then made us look into it further. There are multiple searches on how to keep them from being ruined too easily. This apparently is an issue

 

How long do you think they would last in the hot Tunisian sun? With 6 inch bandoliers and a sash on them? Or the actor sweating in them, basically steaming them out?

 

The the standard pleat amount is 5 front and 2 back. This is to represent the 7 virtues of the Samurai, or Bushido. Three come from the left, two from the right. Kinda funny that there are 5 pleats too. This picture was not marked by me. This was found on the Krayt Clan forum.

 

 

 

I’m positive that this is what we are seeing and I’m going to continue down this path and show how closely my build will represent the Peter Diamond Tusken / Desert Samurai.

[Nezhdanov]

Sounds like you’ve got a solid plan and I’m sure it will look good. Be good to see the results [emoji1303]


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[Motogpnut]

Latest update is pretty terrible. A&J projects ripped me off. Then when I posted the issues on the Facebook Tusken building group the builder and his friends gaslighted the administrator until he pulled my post down.

 

 

Literally sent me trash and made me wait 7 months for it. Told me since March he would be sending it out the next week.

 

The box was in perfect shape. He used trash to pack the items in. Old cardboard and plastic. The helmet was wrapped in bubble wrap but the nose, blood spitter and eye were broken off inside the wrap. He used hot glue on a metal screw that was too short and not the right thread to hold the nose onto the face. Obviously that didn’t work.

 

I’ve about had it with the crappy builders in this community. Nothing like stomping on your dreams and stealing your money.

 

I’m not going to argue with anyone about the situation. I’ve had more than enough to deal with from the builder and his buddies harassing me and attacking me.

 

This is just for the other people so they don’t get suckered by this guy too. Take it or leave it. Up to you.

[Motogpnut]

Apparently I’m not the only one he did this to. Someone else reached out to me but is afraid to make a post based on the attack I received.

Pretty bad when people can’t speak up for themselves when they’re being mistreated… especially in the Star Wars community, of all places.

[thebrighton]

What on earth has happened to A&J Projects, they used to be excellent? What you have received is a disgrace but looking at it it should be salvageable with a bit of work. I've not seen what has gone on online but they've obviously got FB friends.

I hope you do manage to repair the damage so you can get trooping in your Tusken.

That's 2 previously good suppliers gone rogue.

[AJ.1990]

I was nearly going to buy a navy trooper helmet from them this week, I think this has saved me from that decision. Sorry to hear you’ve been treated so poorly

[SgtGarand]

Had a similar experience recently. Can confirm that trash was used for packing, bandolier belt was too short for adult wear, and the respirator can halves were flimsily taped together with a leather wrap not even wide enough to reach the edges. For shipping I kept being told it had shipped and would send the tracking number the following week due to being “away on holiday.” After about a month a finally got the tracking number and saw it had only been shipped the week prior. I bought the metal helmet greeblies from him without issue so was shocked by the lack of care put into this.

[JSmails]

Motogpnut, great work on the different samurai discoveries. I am nearly 100% certain you’re on the right track. The only discussion would be what the entire prop looked like. But as long as the result is screen accurate, prop accurate isn’t an issue. 
 

I believe you are correct about the inner robe stuff but the inner sleeve is more like Kylo Ren IMO. 
 

 

In this pic, To me it looks like the outer robe “dotted” pattern gets pulled back and inside out. Below that is the “arm/sleeve” of the “inner robe” that looks more like Kylo’s outer robe. 
 

 

So. I think, at least for the Peter Diamond Tusken, the layers would be a long sleeve shirt (as seen above and could be skipped), some sort of Keikogi with the Kylo sleeve instead of full sleeves that is full length, then a pleated hakama under that. The pleats are exposed when the full length robe opens in the “Luke attack” scene. 
 

Or something like that. 
 

Keep up the great work. 

[Motogpnut]

On 8/25/2021 at 2:49 AM, JSmails said:

Motogpnut, great work on the different samurai discoveries. I am nearly 100% certain you’re on the right track. The only discussion would be what the entire prop looked like. But as long as the result is screen accurate, prop accurate isn’t an issue. 
 

I believe you are correct about the inner robe stuff but the inner sleeve is more like Kylo Ren IMO. 
 

 

In this pic, To me it looks like the outer robe “dotted” pattern gets pulled back and inside out. Below that is the “arm/sleeve” of the “inner robe” that looks more like Kylo’s outer robe. 
 

 

So. I think, at least for the Peter Diamond Tusken, the layers would be a long sleeve shirt (as seen above and could be skipped), some sort of Keikogi with the Kylo sleeve instead of full sleeves that is full length, then a pleated hakama under that. The pleats are exposed when the full length robe opens in the “Luke attack” scene. 
 

Or something like that. 
 

Keep up the great work. 

Thank you so much August. You could be right. I always thought that was just from having the sleeves pulled up but the possibility that it’s a sleeveless kimono is absolutely feasible. 
Most people haven’t agreed with the whole Japanese samurai concept so it’s refreshing to hear some ideas that lean that direction. You’re always a great source of information on the SLD, I never realized you were here as well. 
I’ve been working a massive amount of hours at work over the last couple months so my time to work on the build has been limited until the last two weekends with some well deserved vacation time. 
I’ll make a post later for the things I was able to get accomplished. I’ve made some great strides moving forward  

[JSmails]

On 9/4/2021 at 7:40 PM, Motogpnut said:

Thank you so much August. You could be right. I always thought that was just from having the sleeves pulled up but the possibility that it’s a sleeveless kimono is absolutely feasible. 
Most people haven’t agreed with the whole Japanese samurai concept so it’s refreshing to hear some ideas that lean that direction. You’re always a great source of information on the SLD, I never realized you were here as well. 
I’ve been working a massive amount of hours at work over the last couple months so my time to work on the build has been limited until the last two weekends with some well deserved vacation time. 
I’ll make a post later for the things I was able to get accomplished. I’ve made some great strides moving forward  

Any updates?

 

If you get it figured out and can match the screen cap pretty close, I’m going to copy your work.

[Motogpnut]

On 10/28/2021 at 10:52 PM, JSmails said:

Any updates?

 

If you get it figured out and can match the screen cap pretty close, I’m going to copy your work.

I’m sorry August. I’ve been working a massive amount of hours over the last couple months. 65-75 every week. 
I was able to get everything to completely replicate the original screen shots, I just haven’t had a minute to show my work. 

[JSmails]

On 11/5/2021 at 7:56 PM, Motogpnut said:

I’m sorry August. I’ve been working a massive amount of hours over the last couple months. 65-75 every week. 
I was able to get everything to completely replicate the original screen shots, I just haven’t had a minute to show my work. 

I know what having no time is like. To get my TK approved I just have to take some pics with my redone boots and my Thermal Detonator. My GML has been waiting for those pics to approve me…..since May. Lol. 
 

No rush. Take some pics when you get a chance. :)

[Motogpnut]

A lot has happened since I started this WIP. Life has been very busy for me the last couple months. 70 plus hours a week at work.

We have completed the Peter Diamond Tusken as planned but because there was no CRL for this character at the time, I submitted for basic ANH Tusken and was approved October 4, 2021.

I would very much be interested in helping with the development of the CRL. Especially because I feel we managed to complete this character as accurate as is possible after 45 years. This was a labor of true love for us and we are very happy to present our Peter Diamond Tusken.











I still need to take some action shots that match up to some of the original behind the scenes pictures you can find floating around out there on the Internet.




Specifically the ones where Peter is wearing the Hakama on the outside of the inner robe kimono and the ones where Peter has his sleeves rolled up. I’m very confident that the materials we used as well as the type of robes we made from scratch clearly match the original.

[Nezhdanov]

Congratulations on clearance I know it’s been a difficult journey [emoji1303]

I hope you can get out there and troop soon!


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[gSkruBg]

Congrats! After all you've been through with this, I'm glad it finally paid off. 

[goldie]

We are very happy to get the go for a separate CRL for the Peter Diamond Tusken.

[navarre1095]

That is one gorgeous build.